Free Speech Lost!
My Own Story Of Pain And Suffering!
NOTICE! THIS WEBSITE IS NOT INTENDED TO DEFAME THE BELOW MENTIONED INDIVIDUAL OR HER DISCUSSION GROUP FROM WHICH I HAD A BAD EXPERIENCE WHILE BEING A MEMBER OF BUT TO MERELY EXPOSE THE TRUTH AS I LIVED AND BREATHED IT! EVERYTHING NOTED HERE IS FACT AND NOT JUST SPECULATION AS YOU SOON WILL SEE! LET FREEDOM RING!

Behold! The Woman Who Stole My Freedom!
Hello:) My name is Noel and this is my story. I joined up with the discussion group "Retrotown" both on Yahoo and on Smartgroups because I felt the group held great values and everyone there seemed really nice. In the beginning, things were wonderful but then things began to change. These changes were aimed directly at me and NONE of the other members EVER had to go through what I did. I started noticing my posts being returned to me because they were not accepted by the head moderator Trish and the others she had helping her. I was puzzled so I wrote to her and asked her why. I didn't get a response the first time so I wrote back 2 more times until finally I got a response. I was told that they didn't like the "tone" of my messages which I couldn't possibly understand why since they were not bad in content. I was rather frustrated but out of respect and because Trish was nice in explaining the situation to me, I edited out my message and reposted the revised message to the group. This time it was accepted and I was real happy about it:)Things went well for a while until most recently, a discussion about "Napster" became a group topic. As most people know, "Napster" has been having legal difficulties as a result of the music industry and musicians feeling cheated by the well known file sharing service. I felt the urge to respond to the topic since I'm such a strong supporter of free speech. My message was not rude or disrespectful in content but Trish and the others didn't see it that way so instead of returning the message to me, they edited out MY words! I could very well have done that for MYSELF because they were MY words. Not THEIRS! Here is the message I posted to the group unedited. The e-mail address used at the time has been X'ed out as a security measure:

--- Noel <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:39:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Noel <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Retrotown] AfterNapster site
> To: retrotown@smartgroups.com
>
> Well, it seems like they are going on with their
> company and adding new content. It's such a shame
> that
> people can't leave well enough alone. Once someone
> becomes disgruntled and files a grievance against
> someone all because that person feels cheated, free
> speech and other rights are no longer important.
> Metallica was the first ones to be so ignorant.
> That's
> why I no longer listen or buy their music:) This
> makes
> me wonder sometimes where the constitution stands. I
> think people wipe their backsides with the Constitution and neglect to remember what it all meant
> when it was
> first written. So sad, so very, very sad:( I do hope
> Napster rises above all this and continues on even
> bigger and better than ever.
>
> Noel


I think the word "Backside" was a problem because that's the portion that was edited out. I see nothing wrong with that word. I could have said "Ass" but I refrained feeling that "Backside" was a more appropriate word. Here is the post again as edited by Trish:

--- Noel <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2002 16:39:46 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Noel <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Retrotown] AfterNapster site
> To: retrotown@smartgroups.com
>
> Well, it seems like they are going on with their
> company and adding new content. It's such a shame
> that
> people can't leave well enough alone. Once someone
> becomes disgruntled and files a grievance against
> someone all because that person feels cheated, free
> speech and other rights are no longer important.
> Metallica was the first ones to be so ignorant.
> That's
> why I no longer listen or buy their music:) This
> makes
> me wonder sometimes where the constitution stands. I
> think people neglect to remember what it all meant
> when it was
> first written. So sad, so very, very sad:( I do hope
> Napster rises above all this and continues on even
> bigger and better than ever.
>
> Noel

Now, you can see for yourself what I originally said and what Trish wanted me to say. It's not fair and she had NO RIGHT whatsoever to edit MY words without my consent. I would much rather had done it MYSELF but instead she just took it upon herself to disrespect me like that without even giving me a chance to edit out the message on my own. When I responded back in protest, here's the response I got in return:


Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:26:46 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Noel" <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com

Subject: Returned post for retrotown@smartgroups.com

        



--- retrotown-owner@smartgroups.com wrote:
> Date: 7 Jun 2002 14:23:40 -0000
> From: retrotown-owner@smartgroups.com
> To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
> Subject: Returned post for retrotown@smartgroups.com
>
> Hi! This is the retrotown@smartgroups.com mailing
> list.
>
> I'm working for my owner, who can be reached
> at retrotown-owner@smartgroups.com.
>
> I'm sorry, your message (enclosed) was not accepted
> by the moderator.
> If the moderator has made any comments, they are
> shown below.
>
> >>>>> -------------------- >>>>>
> You can have your wish - unsubbing you NOW.
> <<<<< -------------------- <<<<<
>

> ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822
> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 06:48:36 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Noel <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
> Subject: Re: [Retrotown] AfterNapster site
> To: retrotown@smartgroups.com
>
> This post looks as though it's been edited and not
> by
> me. If that's the case, I'm walking.
>
> Noel
>


See how nasty Trish got when confronted with HER mistake? She put it all on ME when it was ALL HER fault. She had me on moderated discussion settings for months before I figured out what she was up to. She didn't like it when I confronted her about it because soon afterwards, I get another message saying I have been barred from the group. I guess the truth really does hurt. See below:


Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 11:31:20 -0700 (PDT)

From:  "Noel" <XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com>

Subject: [Retrotown] You have been barred from this group

--- Retrotown-owner@smartgroups.com wrote:
> Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2002 15:24:41 +0100 (GMT+01:00)
> From: Retrotown-owner@smartgroups.com
> To: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX@yahoo.com
> Subject: [Retrotown] You have been barred from this
> group
>
> Dear SmartGroups.com user,
>
>
>
> The group manager has barred you from the
> "Retrotown" SmartGroup. 
>
> You will no longer be able to access this group’s
> web pages or send emails to the group.
>
> This is a decision of the group manager and not of
> SmartGroups.com.
>

All this happened because I spoke my mind and stood by my integrity and beliefs. I left the circle "VOLUNTARILY" just for the record and I really don't care one way or the other about her "Barring" me from her group because I know in my heart that I was not wrong. I did manage to send a message to the group anyway through individual e-mails. I didn't need the group to get my message out because I had all of the member's e-mail addresses on file which is something Trish knew nothing about so basically the laughs on her now because my message got read by the members anyway hehehe:) She thought she could shut me up but in reality, she only made things worse for her because now the truth is out and I'm VERY happy about it:) I feel confident that she will get what's coming to her in the end and it won't be a pretty site. Her day will come:) I honestly feel in my heart that she enjoyed doing what she did to me because she did it repeatedly until I finally made a stand and put an end to her little game. Before this recent incident occured, she excluded me from group projects which she posted to the members just for fun. She was looking for volunteers and I gladly jumped at the opportunity to participate. The projects included things like Trivia Coordinator and making retro music tapes for anyone in the group who wanted one. I wrote to her expressing an interest in the tape making but didn't get a response back right away so I waited a little while and then one day, she posted to the group and said she was backed up in e-mail from all the volunteers but she would get back to everyone as soon as she could. She also said that she would choose the person who volunteered first for certain projects. Weeks went by and I heard absolutely NOTHING from her so I wrote to her and asked if she made a decision about the tape making project. I was completely ignored. I kept writing back to her every week but still heard nothing. I know for a fact that everyone else was responded to because they posted and indicated that. That's why I was so persistent. I was the ONLY one who didn't get a response back. There was NO REASON whatsoever for her inconsiderate behavior. She could have at least gotten back to me and let me know weather she already had someone for the tape making or not. Instead, she continued to ignore me which was no fair AT ALL! I was ALWAYS VERY respectful to her and the other members so I feel I should have gotten the same respect in return. Obviously, nobody felt the same way. It's a sad, sad shame people like that exist in this world. People who only look out for #1 and fail to acknowledge anyone else's feeling but their own will get what's coming to them in the end. I hope that someday they feel the same exact pain as they gave to me. I hope someone comes along and does to them exactly what they did to me. When that time comes, I will truly be happy because justice will finally be served. It doesn't bother me so much now though because I have had the opportunity to let it all out on this website. By telling my story, I hope to protect others from EVER having to go through what I did. Thanks for listening! Peace be with you:)
Here's a link to my very own group "RetroWorld" & page 2.
Click here to enter "RetrotownUSA."
Trish Is At It Again! Click here to read the whole story.
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