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Add it to your site. It's evidence on Steffy and her friends. She implcates other people in this mess. Don't ask anymore questions. I have more of these if you want it.

DPTMc1@aol.com wrote:
Noel,
 
Why did you send this to me?
 
Dennis
 
 
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This is what Dennis just posted to me. Why are you trying to pin this on me, Noel ?? Why aren't you going after the person who is really responsible for all of this. Namley this 'fish' or 'doghouse' who asked to have you invited to Ultimate Flame War in the first place ??? I am sorry for inviting you, but really it is his fault. He was the one who has been trying to stir things up with you so that you retaliate against Dennis !!

I resent you trying to make me your scapegoat, when you should feel you have every right to demand justice for this person who has stalked you, and that even if you did post that stuff to the Lennono group you were in no-way responsible for your actions after the abuse you had been subjected to at the hands of this little troll !!!

I also can't believe you reported my group ! For what ??? You are the one being victimised here, yet you lash-out at the people who are trying to help you and care about you.

I do not like being made your scapegoat, but i am not a grass and a liar, so I WILL NOT be giving Dennis the evidence he is asking for against you, even though i have it, as i am NOT a grass.

There are other ways to deal with people who accuse you of their own crimes. But i'm sure you know me by now to realise i am not a person to bear any grudges. Now, of course you do. ;-)

Just keep thinking to yourself what a lovely cuddly pussycat Dennis is compared to the person you've just framed, and i'm sure you'll get the idea.

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Very interesting. While you defend Noel, she has the following to say about you:

D


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Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2003 08:01:30 -0700 (PDT)
From: Noel <ultimate_warrior_usa@yahoo.com>[add to address book] [protect or block sender]
Subject: Re: Please read and reply Dennis. Important!
To: DPTMc1@aol.com


Yeah, you do have a point. I should have known better than to join her group. Well, rest assured I'm no longer part of that circle. The bitch took down her other group and left me to take the fall for all her dirty deeds. I may have access to fake mailers but so does everyone else on the web. The only thing relevant is if I choose to use them or not. I have NOT used anything like that because I'm not that computer literate. For what it's worth, you did the right thing by banning her from Lennono. You say I have been attacking you for years but you're wrong about that. Yes, we had harsh words 3 years ago but I vowed to leave that all behind and get my own life back in order. I have taken every measure to insure I get the help I need for my problems. You fail to realize, I have better things to do with my time than obsess over you. I have no further interest in you except to put closure to this mess and prove my innocence. Steffy once told me that she felt we thought a lot alike
so that's why it appears she uses the same terminology. I can guarantee you that I am not as low and vendictive as she is. I can't afford to break the law so I haven't. I personally think you're taking this way too far anyway. Steffy posts a few insulting, sick posts to your list and you have to be a pussy about it. Yes, a pussy! I'm sorry to have to say that to you but it's the truth. Names are nothing but words. Surely, you can ignore that can't you? I have put up with the same shit in my lists too so you're not alone. I just take whatever necessary steps it takes to protect the list like you do. You're forgetting I too am a list owner and I know what it means to be a good moderator. I know the job of a moderator and have done pretty much with my groups what you have done with yours. You really need to let go of this war with me. I have so why can't you? I think you've been punished enough by that creature Steffy and you don't need this shit anymore than I do. She left me hig
h and dry so I no longer have any respect for her. I don't know what it is but I can't seem to stay away from people like her. I always seem to get mixed up with them. I thought by not being online as much would help my situation but unfortunately, it hasn't. People are still doing things behind my back. Did you happen to look at the headers in the messages? They all lead back to her and not me. The headers in my messages and in hers are clearly not the same. That should prove my innocence right there. I don't feel you have any right to bear false witness against me like that. Like I said before, I know you do it because it's easy but there are more important things you must do rather than take the easy way out all the time. You chose me to blame for this because I'm just the easy choice. It saves you the time and effort of checking other people out. That's just not fair to me or my recovery process. I warned her that you knew everything so hopefully she will back off now. I re
ally don't think you have a thing to worry about with her out of the picture at this time. If she should return, I won't be responsible because I broke away from her other group. I want no ties with this at all. I just want you to stop blaming me for all this and allow me to get the help I need, remove my name from your groups, and go after Steffy with the information I gave you last night. She already lost 1 of her Lycos accounts so it shouldn't be too hard for you to get her new account shut down. Also, since you're so concerned about Yahoo's TOS being enforced, you should go after her "Ultimate_Flame_War" group because there are more violations in there than I can count. I have already reported her and will continue to do so. Nothing has been done so far but hopefully within the next few weeks, her group will be removed. You see, I too am concerned with Yahoo's TOS regardless of what you may think. I also feel they need to take harsher action against people like Steffy. Sorr
y to make this message so long but I had a lot to say to you. Please reply back when you get the chance. By the way, just because I'm cooperating with you doesn't mean we're bosom buddies Ok? I just want to get out of this mess alive and stay out of trouble. Peace and take care

Noel

DPTMc1@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:01:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ultimate_warrior_usa@yahoo.com writes:


You're a fair man? Yeah right!


Yes, I am. I just want this garbage off my groups. Mothing more, nothing less.


Anyway, I'm not sure what her real name is because she told me she has literally

hundreds of aliases. The only names I know her as is Steffy and Veronica Von Scott or something like that. Her only 2 e-mail addresses are: pie_head2000@lycos.com and fatherjesuslovesus@lycos.com which she used to post that dumb message to your group.



Both have been banned from Lennono.


By the way, I think you know what my ISP is so I don't see the need to give you these

details from my master screen name. I don't feel comfortable and I don't trust you enough to reveal that information. I would have to change my ISP completely if I revealed my main account to you as a security measure.


Security? Noel, I'M the one being attacked, on several groups.


If you look in the groups she has created, you will see just what sort of person she is.

I have no way to do that.

I

am 100% innocent this time but I still feel I must remain undercover for my own protection. You must understand that I need to feel secure. Not that I'm paranoid or anything because I'm not but I am cautious and VERY protective over myself after everything you and others have put me through. Even the cops have put me through the ringer because they can't stand to see me happy just like you.



Like me? Noel, for years you have been attacking me and blaming me for it! Speaking of security, I noticed that those letters that you forwarded me were full of the same terminology that you have used over the years, and I know that you have access to fake mailers. Should I just believe them? Would you?

That's why I have no REAL emotions right now. Just borrowed emotions is all I have. Of

course why would you care right? I'm just wasting my precious time telling you all this. You need to do the right thing and leave me alone. Go after the right person. If you need me to con her into a confession, I can try and do that. Hers and my ISP numbers aren't the same either if you'll notice from these messages I'm sending you and the ones she sent me. If you want all this to end, you will go after HER and not ME this time.


The fact is that I don't go after the person, I go after the message. When one of these things gets posted, I report the message. It's up to Yahoo (or whomever) to determine the person and take action.

I have even tried to limit the time I spend online because of other people bugging me like

this. I don't hardly get online anymore and I have witnesses to it. I get online to check my e-mail and then I get off and play my CD ROM games. This way, I can insure I stay out of trouble. Or so I thought this would work. Obviously not with you running around loose. I can't even mind my own business without getting messed with by you. That is really sad


How would you expect to have no trouble when you join groups like Ultimate Flame War????



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Very interesting. While you defend Noel, she has the following to say about you:

D
Yeah, you do have a point. I should have known better than to join her group. Well, rest assured I'm no longer part of that circle. The bitch took down her other group and left me to take the fall for all her dirty deeds. I may have access to fake mailers but so does everyone else on the web. The only thing relevant is if I choose to use them or not. I have NOT used anything like that because I'm not that computer literate. For what it's worth, you did the right thing by banning her from Lennono. You say I have been attacking you for years but you're wrong about that. Yes, we had harsh words 3 years ago but I vowed to leave that all behind and get my own life back in order. I have taken every measure to insure I get the help I need for my problems. You fail to realize, I have better things to do with my time than obsess over you. I have no further interest in you except to put closure to this mess and prove my innocence. Steffy once told me that she felt we thought a lot alike so that's why it appears she uses the same terminology. I can guarantee you that I am not as low and vendictive as she is. I can't afford to break the law so I haven't. I personally think you're taking this way too far anyway. Steffy posts a few insulting, sick posts to your list and you have to be a pussy about it. Yes, a pussy! I'm sorry to have to say that to you but it's the truth. Names are nothing but words. Surely, you can ignore that can't you? I have put up with the same shit in my lists too so you're not alone. I just take whatever necessary steps it takes to protect the list like you do. You're forgetting I too am a list owner and I know what it means to be a good moderator. I know the job of a moderator and have done pretty much with my groups what you have done with yours. You really need to let go of this war with me. I have so why can't you? I think you've been punished enough by that creature Steffy and you don't need this shit anymore than I do. She left me high and dry so I no longer have any respect for her. I don't know what it is but I can't seem to stay away from people like her. I always seem to get mixed up with them. I thought by not being online as much would help my situation but unfortunately, it hasn't. People are still doing things behind my back. Did you happen to look at the headers in the messages? They all lead back to her and not me. The headers in my messages and in hers are clearly not the same. That should prove my innocence right there. I don't feel you have any right to bear false witness against me like that. Like I said before, I know you do it because it's easy but there are more important things you must do rather than take the easy way out all the time. You chose me to blame for this because I'm just the easy choice. It saves you the time and effort of checking other people out. That's just not fair to me or my recovery process. I warned her that you knew everything so hopefully she will back off now. I really don't think you have a thing to worry about with her out of the picture at this time. If she should return, I won't be responsible because I broke away from her other group. I want no ties with this at all. I just want you to stop blaming me for all this and allow me to get the help I need, remove my name from your groups, and go after Steffy with the information I gave you last night. She already lost 1 of her Lycos accounts so it shouldn't be too hard for you to get her new account shut down. Also, since you're so concerned about Yahoo's TOS being enforced, you should go after her "Ultimate_Flame_War" group because there are more violations in there than I can count. I have already reported her and will continue to do so. Nothing has been done so far but hopefully within the next few weeks, her group will be removed. You see, I too am concerned with Yahoo's TOS regardless of what you may think. I also feel they need to take harsher action against people like Steffy. Sorry to make this message so long but I had a lot to say to you. Please reply back when you get the chance. By the way, just because I'm cooperating with you doesn't mean we're bosom buddies Ok? I just want to get out of this mess alive and stay out of trouble. Peace and take care
 
Noel

DPTMc1@aol.com wrote:
In a message dated 4/16/2003 10:01:51 AM Eastern Standard Time, ultimate_warrior_usa@yahoo.com writes:

You're a fair man? Yeah right!


Yes, I am. I just want this garbage off my groups. Mothing more, nothing less.


Anyway, I'm not sure what her real name is because she told me she has literally

hundreds of aliases. The only names I know her as is Steffy and Veronica Von Scott or something like that. Her only 2 e-mail addresses are: pie_head2000@lycos.com and fatherjesuslovesus@lycos.com which she used to post that dumb message to your group.



Both have been banned from Lennono.


By the way, I think you know what my ISP is so I don't see the need to give you these

details from my master screen name. I don't feel comfortable and I don't trust you enough to reveal that information. I would have to change my ISP completely if I revealed my main account to you as a security measure.


Security? Noel, I'M the one being attacked, on several groups.


If you look in the groups she has created, you will see just what sort of person she is.

I have no way to do that.

I

am 100% innocent this time but I still feel I must remain undercover for my own protection. You must understand that I need to feel secure. Not that I'm paranoid or anything because I'm not but I am cautious and VERY protective over myself after everything you and others have put me through. Even the cops have put me through the ringer because they can't stand to see me happy just like you.



Like me? Noel, for years you have been attacking me and blaming me for it!  Speaking of security, I noticed that those letters that you forwarded me were full of the same terminology that you have used over the years, and I know that you have access to fake mailers. Should I just believe them? Would you?

That's why I have no REAL emotions right now. Just borrowed emotions is all I have. Of

course why would you care right? I'm just wasting my precious time telling you all this. You need to do the right thing and leave me alone. Go after the right person. If you need me to con her into a confession, I can try and do that. Hers and my ISP numbers aren't the same either if you'll notice from these messages I'm sending you and the ones she sent me. If you want all this to end, you will go after HER and not ME this time.


The fact is that I don't go after the person, I go after the message. When one of these things gets posted, I report the message. It's up to Yahoo (or whomever) to determine the person and take action.

I have even tried to limit the time I spend online because of other people bugging me like

this. I don't hardly get online anymore and I have witnesses to it. I get online to check my e-mail and then I get off and play my CD ROM games. This way, I can insure I stay out of trouble. Or so I thought this would work. Obviously not with you running around loose. I can't even mind my own business without getting messed with by you. That is really sad


How would you expect to have no trouble when you join groups like Ultimate Flame War????




 
Noel






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